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THE tragic death of Tyrese Hannah was an accident waiting to happen, according to people living near the scene.
The 40 elderly people who live in Cirencester Court in Drove Road say they witness accidents on a weekly basis.
They have been campaigning for improvements to safety in the road for the last two years.
And they say seven-year-old Tyrese's death has confirmed their worst fears.
The youngster from Walcot was knocked unconscious when a car lost control and hit him in Drove Road two weeks ago today. He died later at the Great Western Hospital.
The Cirencester Court Committee have lobbied Swindon Council to incorporate traffic calming measures into the street.
The speed limit was reduced from 40mph to 30mph six years ago. The road has been hatch-marked to emphasise the bend to drivers and to make it appear narrower.
And now two illuminated flashing 30mph signs are to be installed in the road next month.
David Peaple, 69, a resident and secretary of the committee, said: "It is the sad reality that someone has died before something is done to improve safety but the dangers were there.
"In meetings with them the committee has been advised it was not seen as a priority as there have been few reported incidents and no fatalities and resources are finite.
"But there have been at least two incidents that I can remember where cars have overturned just outside our building.
"One damaged our boundary wall and had there been pedestrians on the path they wouldn't have stood a chance.
"I see the council are laying a non-skid surface but I still don't think the flashing signs go far enough."
Residents' spoke with deputy council leader Fionuala Foley about the dangers of Drove Road at a meeting in August.
In the meeting's minutes it was recorded that fatalities would have to happen before action was taken.
"I believe we should have an island to make traffic coming down the hill slow down and go round it and do away with the slip lane from Belle Vue Road," said David.
"We will continue to campaign for this road to be made safer for drivers and pedestrians in an attempt to prevent another tragedy."
Resident Margaret Byrne said: "It is so sad that this dear little boy has died. Maybe if more people had listened to us it may not have happened."
The committee are also pushing for a pedestrian crossing, signs indicating elderly people are crossing and signs to show that Chandler Close is a no through road.
They have written to Swindon Mayor Michael Barnes to alert him to their concerns.
And they have called on South Swindon MP Anne Snelgrove for her support.
Mrs Snelgrove said: "I've had meetings and extensive correspondence with the council over this road. I have to walk that way to get to my office and I frequently see motorists driving too fast. Some are even driving while talking on their mobile phone.
"Traffic control experts need to work on this as a matter of urgency."
9:44am Friday 28th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Big Mac on 11:00am Fri 28 Mar 08
Until access to Belle Vue Road from Victoria Hill is stopped - which it won't be - the part of Drove Road where the accident occured will [italic]always[/italic] be a blackspot.
Cars filtering on to a main highway whilst virtually having to look behind them to the right will never see what's happening to their immediate left (ie, on Drove Road), it's physically impossible.
That the Belle Vue and Hunt Street roads filter in to a notoriously dangerous corner is totally unacceptable.
Residents of Belle Vue Road have been demanding that the Council remove access to Belle Vue Road from Victoria Road for well over 14 years now... the only official response is that there is 'no problem'.
The reality would suggest otherwise.
Until access to Belle Vue Road from Victoria Hill is stopped - which it won't be - the part of Drove Road where the accident occured will
always be a blackspot.
Cars filtering on to a main highway whilst virtually having to look behind them to the right will never see what's happening to their immediate left (ie, on Drove Road), it's physically impossible.
That the Belle Vue and Hunt Street roads filter in to a notoriously dangerous corner is totally unacceptable.
Residents of Belle Vue Road have been demanding that the Council remove access to Belle Vue Road from Victoria Road for well over 14 years now... the only official response is that there is 'no problem'.
The reality would suggest otherwise.
Posted by: Robin Harris, Swindon on 11:28am Fri 28 Mar 08
The slip road access from Belle Vue Road should be closed.
Overall though you can't blame the road for persistent bad driving. Coming down Cricklade Street is like a launching ramp and many drivers take the bend well above the 30mph limit. This section of road though has always been 30mph and I thought Drove road was reduced to 30mph because of all those damm crossings.
The slip road access from Belle Vue Road should be closed.
Overall though you can't blame the road for persistent bad driving. Coming down Cricklade Street is like a launching ramp and many drivers take the bend well above the 30mph limit. This section of road though has always been 30mph and I thought Drove road was reduced to 30mph because of all those damm crossings.
Posted by: Al Smith, Swindon, UK on 11:51am Fri 28 Mar 08
I know Belle Vue Rd is a pain, but merging onto Drove Rd is not that dissimilar from driving onto a motorway or even Windsor Road onto Queens Drive.
Personally I'm surprised they haven't put up a roundabout, that seems to be the standard answer for tricky junctions.
I know Belle Vue Rd is a pain, but merging onto Drove Rd is not that dissimilar from driving onto a motorway or even Windsor Road onto Queens Drive.
Personally I'm surprised they haven't put up a roundabout, that seems to be the standard answer for tricky junctions.
Posted by: swinetown, london on 12:46pm Fri 28 Mar 08
why was it necessary to remove my comment adver? There is no such thing as a dangerous road only dangerous drivers that use them!
We do not know the circumstances of the driver involved in this accident no amount of speed humps bumps and precautions would sto someone who for example is intoxicated.
Isn't the adver great at telling one side of the story only.
why was it necessary to remove my comment adver? There is no such thing as a dangerous road only dangerous drivers that use them!
We do not know the circumstances of the driver involved in this accident no amount of speed humps bumps and precautions would sto someone who for example is intoxicated.
Isn't the adver great at telling one side of the story only.
Posted by: swinetown, london on 12:46pm Fri 28 Mar 08
why was it necessary to remove my comment adver? There is no such thing as a dangerous road only dangerous drivers that use them!
We do not know the circumstances of the driver involved in this accident no amount of speed humps bumps and precautions would stop someone who for example is intoxicated.
Isn't the adver great at telling one side of the story only.
why was it necessary to remove my comment adver? There is no such thing as a dangerous road only dangerous drivers that use them!
We do not know the circumstances of the driver involved in this accident no amount of speed humps bumps and precautions would stop someone who for example is intoxicated.
Isn't the adver great at telling one side of the story only.
Posted by: Big Mac on 12:52pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Al Smith wrote:[/bold]
I know Belle Vue Rd is a pain, but merging onto Drove Rd is not that dissimilar from driving onto a motorway[/quote]
Apart from two major differences: when you join a motorway there aren't cars coming directly at you from the opposite direction.
When you join a motorway, you do not join it on a dangerous bend.
Belle Vue Road should be made access only. The sheer weight of traffic that uses it as a rat run (it's a residential area don't forget) is what makes it dangerous. Combine that with it being an almost blind feed onto a dangerous corner of a main road and the only surprise is that there aren't more accidents.
Al Smith wrote:
I know Belle Vue Rd is a pain, but merging onto Drove Rd is not that dissimilar from driving onto a motorway
Apart from two major differences: when you join a motorway there aren't cars coming directly at you from the opposite direction.
When you join a motorway, you do not join it on a dangerous bend.
Belle Vue Road should be made access only. The sheer weight of traffic that uses it as a rat run (it's a residential area don't forget) is what makes it dangerous. Combine that with it being an almost blind feed onto a dangerous corner of a main road and the only surprise is that there aren't more accidents.
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 12:52pm Fri 28 Mar 08
The Adver tend to remove comments that speculate. It's a legal thing I think
It's such a shame this had to happen but I've driven down that turning many a time and as suggested above its no different to merging on a motorway except you're going 40mph slower
The Adver tend to remove comments that speculate. It's a legal thing I think
It's such a shame this had to happen but I've driven down that turning many a time and as suggested above its no different to merging on a motorway except you're going 40mph slower
Posted by: Bri, Swindon on 12:56pm Fri 28 Mar 08
It is a real great shame that a young life was taken at that spot, I have personally monitored DROVE ROAD spot and a number of MAD,MAD motorists are driving in the excess speed down that road. I live nearby and am very concerned now as soon there might be another life taken. The slip road from Belle Vue does cause motorists to beat the oncoming traffic, and as we all know that there is quite a number of pubs nearby. Sooner than later something dreadful is going to happen unless drastic action is taken by the Police and Burough. I am for reducing the speed limit, yet it is not a blind spot from High Street, but side streets are the culprit and young motorists are trying to be "Lewis Hamilton" on the roads these days with NO CARE of pedestrians or children anywhere in Swindon, especially Queens Drive where I noticed the souped up cars are speeding over 80, jumping the red lights, But Drove Road is a commuter route and is getting busier all the time. Something MUST be done to protect the pedestrians as it sounds that a lot of bangers on the road are MOT failures and uninsured. Do something now so there will not be another young life taken.
It is a real great shame that a young life was taken at that spot, I have personally monitored DROVE ROAD spot and a number of MAD,MAD motorists are driving in the excess speed down that road. I live nearby and am very concerned now as soon there might be another life taken. The slip road from Belle Vue does cause motorists to beat the oncoming traffic, and as we all know that there is quite a number of pubs nearby. Sooner than later something dreadful is going to happen unless drastic action is taken by the Police and Burough. I am for reducing the speed limit, yet it is not a blind spot from High Street, but side streets are the culprit and young motorists are trying to be "Lewis Hamilton" on the roads these days with NO CARE of pedestrians or children anywhere in Swindon, especially Queens Drive where I noticed the souped up cars are speeding over 80, jumping the red lights, But Drove Road is a commuter route and is getting busier all the time. Something MUST be done to protect the pedestrians as it sounds that a lot of bangers on the road are MOT failures and uninsured. Do something now so there will not be another young life taken.
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 12:58pm Fri 28 Mar 08
BIg Mac I'd hardly call it a dangerous bend. Obviously it is a shame that this young life was taken but it could've happened on any road
BIg Mac I'd hardly call it a dangerous bend. Obviously it is a shame that this young life was taken but it could've happened on any road
Posted by: Oldtown2007, Swindon on 1:15pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Bri[/bold] wrote:
It is a real great shame that a young life was taken at that spot, I have personally monitored DROVE ROAD spot and a number of MAD,MAD motorists are driving in the excess speed down that road. I live nearby and am very concerned now as soon there might be another life taken. The slip road from Belle Vue does cause motorists to beat the oncoming traffic, and as we all know that there is quite a number of pubs nearby. Sooner than later something dreadful is going to happen unless drastic action is taken by the Police and Burough. I am for reducing the speed limit, yet it is not a blind spot from High Street, but side streets are the culprit and young motorists are trying to be "Lewis Hamilton" on the roads these days with NO CARE of pedestrians or children anywhere in Swindon, especially Queens Drive where I noticed the souped up cars are speeding over 80, jumping the red lights, But Drove Road is a commuter route and is getting busier all the time. Something MUST be done to protect the pedestrians as it sounds that a lot of bangers on the road are MOT failures and uninsured. Do something now so there will not be another young life taken.[/quote] The majority of your arguements are relating to bad driving and poor vehicle maintenance and not the fact that a road joins - shall we close Chandler close and the entrance to Christ Church, they are just as bad, if not worse for joinging drove road.
Having the flashing 30mph signs would seem a sensible option. Closing the road will simply increase problems elsewhere. I drive up and down the road 4 times a day, have never had a problem. As for the arguement that traffic is getting worse and therefore making the problem worse, I would disagree and say that the road is probably safer at 8:30am and 5:30pm when the traffic is heavy than it is at 11pm when the roads are empty and vehicles can travel at higher speeds. It is a lot easier (and often quicker) to join drove road from the adjoining roads when there is traffic than it is when there is no traffic or light traffic (that's not to say it won't take you longer to move from Belle Vue to Christchurch once you have joined the traffic.
All of this aside, until the authorities know if there was any blame on the part of the driver (or other drivers), I think it would be wise to leave any major changes (road closures) unitl a fully educated solution can be decided upon.
Bri wrote:
It is a real great shame that a young life was taken at that spot, I have personally monitored DROVE ROAD spot and a number of MAD,MAD motorists are driving in the excess speed down that road. I live nearby and am very concerned now as soon there might be another life taken. The slip road from Belle Vue does cause motorists to beat the oncoming traffic, and as we all know that there is quite a number of pubs nearby. Sooner than later something dreadful is going to happen unless drastic action is taken by the Police and Burough. I am for reducing the speed limit, yet it is not a blind spot from High Street, but side streets are the culprit and young motorists are trying to be "Lewis Hamilton" on the roads these days with NO CARE of pedestrians or children anywhere in Swindon, especially Queens Drive where I noticed the souped up cars are speeding over 80, jumping the red lights, But Drove Road is a commuter route and is getting busier all the time. Something MUST be done to protect the pedestrians as it sounds that a lot of bangers on the road are MOT failures and uninsured. Do something now so there will not be another young life taken.
The majority of your arguements are relating to bad driving and poor vehicle maintenance and not the fact that a road joins - shall we close Chandler close and the entrance to Christ Church, they are just as bad, if not worse for joinging drove road.
Having the flashing 30mph signs would seem a sensible option. Closing the road will simply increase problems elsewhere. I drive up and down the road 4 times a day, have never had a problem. As for the arguement that traffic is getting worse and therefore making the problem worse, I would disagree and say that the road is probably safer at 8:30am and 5:30pm when the traffic is heavy than it is at 11pm when the roads are empty and vehicles can travel at higher speeds. It is a lot easier (and often quicker) to join drove road from the adjoining roads when there is traffic than it is when there is no traffic or light traffic (that's not to say it won't take you longer to move from Belle Vue to Christchurch once you have joined the traffic.
All of this aside, until the authorities know if there was any blame on the part of the driver (or other drivers), I think it would be wise to leave any major changes (road closures) unitl a fully educated solution can be decided upon.
Posted by: yeti, swindon on 1:24pm Fri 28 Mar 08
if people drive with due care and attention then the road and the links to it are fine.i use it almost daily.
the blame for any accident is due to idiotic driving.too many drivers are on our roads that shouldn't be.until unfit drivers are removed from our roads you can put any type of calming you like. deaths and accidents will still occur.
campaign for tougher laws of the road if you want action on road safety.
if people drive with due care and attention then the road and the links to it are fine.i use it almost daily.
the blame for any accident is due to idiotic driving.too many drivers are on our roads that shouldn't be.until unfit drivers are removed from our roads you can put any type of calming you like. deaths and accidents will still occur.
campaign for tougher laws of the road if you want action on road safety.
Posted by: Dick-Turpin, Swindon on 2:11pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I agree with Oldtown 2007 but with a few additions, regular testing of qualified drivers both new and old, agree or disagree with this as you will but this will take the poorer drivers off the roads.
Ask yourselves when was the last time you picked up a copy of the Highway Code?
Is your journey that much of a hurry that you have to speed - surely if you call ahead and explain you are to be late the person you are meeting will understand? Alternatively plan your journey better in future - I am aware that there can be congestion and accident issues that will affect this!
Younger or new drivers should be licensed to drive up to a maximum engine cc to be reveiwed through regular assessments to a certain age.
Again to echo many comments it is down to driver handling and NOT road layout in the majority of accidents. Blaming the road and in turn the Highway Agency is not the way forward. Do you want the road reduced to 20 mph with inceased carbon emmisions along Drove Road - I am sure I wouldn't, a good flow of traffic with sensible drivers at the wheel would be preferable.
A snipet of info from The AA "In 2000, the then Department of Environment, Transport and the Regions argued against reducing the 30 mph limit for fear of increasing emissions."
Tests by The AA emissions show this equates to an increase of more than 10% when reducing speeds from 30mph to 20mph.
I agree with Oldtown 2007 but with a few additions, regular testing of qualified drivers both new and old, agree or disagree with this as you will but this will take the poorer drivers off the roads.
Ask yourselves when was the last time you picked up a copy of the Highway Code?
Is your journey that much of a hurry that you have to speed - surely if you call ahead and explain you are to be late the person you are meeting will understand? Alternatively plan your journey better in future - I am aware that there can be congestion and accident issues that will affect this!
Younger or new drivers should be licensed to drive up to a maximum engine cc to be reveiwed through regular assessments to a certain age.
Again to echo many comments it is down to driver handling and NOT road layout in the majority of accidents. Blaming the road and in turn the Highway Agency is not the way forward. Do you want the road reduced to 20 mph with inceased carbon emmisions along Drove Road - I am sure I wouldn't, a good flow of traffic with sensible drivers at the wheel would be preferable.
A snipet of info from The AA "In 2000, the then Department of Environment, Transport and the Regions argued against reducing the 30 mph limit for fear of increasing emissions."
Tests by The AA emissions show this equates to an increase of more than 10% when reducing speeds from 30mph to 20mph.
Posted by: PJC, Old Town on 2:32pm Fri 28 Mar 08
It's utter rubbish to blame the junction. The problem is people driving too fast from the bend by the church. It's a wide road and the bend is a lot sharper than it looks. I'm sure some people seem to think that it's still 40mph, or perhaps they just don't care. The simple fact is that many drivers are arrogant and therefore careless, and as in this case it costs lives.
It's utter rubbish to blame the junction. The problem is people driving too fast from the bend by the church. It's a wide road and the bend is a lot sharper than it looks. I'm sure some people seem to think that it's still 40mph, or perhaps they just don't care. The simple fact is that many drivers are arrogant and therefore careless, and as in this case it costs lives.
Posted by: Big Mac on 2:49pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Dick-Turpin wrote:[/bold]
Blaming the road and in turn the Highway Agency is not the way forward.[/quote]
It is if the Council actually do something to make that bend safer and remove the ability for cars to access Drove Road from Belle Vue Road.
How anyone might even start to argue that it wouldn't make the road safer is beyond me - and complete nonsense.
Dick-Turpin wrote:
Blaming the road and in turn the Highway Agency is not the way forward.
It is if the Council actually do something to make that bend safer and remove the ability for cars to access Drove Road from Belle Vue Road.
How anyone might even start to argue that it wouldn't make the road safer is beyond me - and complete nonsense.
Posted by: Harry Potter, Swindon on 3:06pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote:
It's utter rubbish to blame the junction. The problem is people driving too fast from the bend by the church. It's a wide road and the bend is a lot sharper than it looks. I'm sure some people seem to think that it's still 40mph, or perhaps they just don't care. The simple fact is that many drivers are arrogant and therefore careless, and as in this case it costs lives.[/quote] Completely agree. Could have happened on any road no matter what the speed limit is. I have used Belle Vue Road many times & have never had any problems because I consider myself to be a careful driver.
PJC wrote:
It's utter rubbish to blame the junction. The problem is people driving too fast from the bend by the church. It's a wide road and the bend is a lot sharper than it looks. I'm sure some people seem to think that it's still 40mph, or perhaps they just don't care. The simple fact is that many drivers are arrogant and therefore careless, and as in this case it costs lives.
Completely agree. Could have happened on any road no matter what the speed limit is. I have used Belle Vue Road many times & have never had any problems because I consider myself to be a careful driver.
Posted by: steve-o, Swindon on 3:09pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Adver like too no what happened to my post at 10 am, was 1st post and non arguementive!!
Adver like too no what happened to my post at 10 am, was 1st post and non arguementive!!
Posted by: steve-o, Swindon on 3:13pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Stated this morning was tragic what happened. Allaspects need looking into road, seeding driving errors, is that speculating, no just facts
Stated this morning was tragic what happened. Allaspects need looking into road, seeding driving errors, is that speculating, no just facts
Posted by: steve-o, Swindon on 3:22pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]swinetown[/bold] wrote:
why was it necessary to remove my comment adver? There is no such thing as a dangerous road only dangerous drivers that use them! We do not know the circumstances of the driver involved in this accident no amount of speed humps bumps and precautions would stop someone who for example is intoxicated. Isn't the adver great at telling one side of the story only.[/quote] My point mate, happened earlier, bet we dont get reply tho
swinetown wrote:
why was it necessary to remove my comment adver? There is no such thing as a dangerous road only dangerous drivers that use them! We do not know the circumstances of the driver involved in this accident no amount of speed humps bumps and precautions would stop someone who for example is intoxicated. Isn't the adver great at telling one side of the story only.
My point mate, happened earlier, bet we dont get reply tho
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 3:30pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Oh they were deleted get over it and move on we've all had comments deleted one time or another,
Oh they were deleted get over it and move on we've all had comments deleted one time or another,
Posted by: steve-o, Swindon on 3:33pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Dont start throwwing your toys out of the pram, its important issue, not about road, bad driving
Dont start throwwing your toys out of the pram, its important issue, not about road, bad driving
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 3:36pm Fri 28 Mar 08
No one is throwing anything out of anywhere, we don't know why the accident happened yet and when people do know I'm sure adver will be the ones to tell us, but until then we can't speculate or comments evidently will be deleted, I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the road but I don't use it on a regular basis like some of the other who have commented here.
No one is throwing anything out of anywhere, we don't know why the accident happened yet and when people do know I'm sure adver will be the ones to tell us, but until then we can't speculate or comments evidently will be deleted, I personally don't think there is anything wrong with the road but I don't use it on a regular basis like some of the other who have commented here.
Posted by: steve-o, Swindon on 3:39pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I agree, never had problems there either.Hope it will be resolved soon and pray iwas *a tragic accident* was'nt having pop mate
I agree, never had problems there either.Hope it will be resolved soon and pray iwas *a tragic accident* was'nt having pop mate
Posted by: Web Team, Swindon on 3:52pm Fri 28 Mar 08
With reference to those people who have had posts removed from this thread.
All comments which speculate on the cause of the accident will be removed for legal reasons, and we would ask readers not to leave such comments.
Thank you.
With reference to those people who have had posts removed from this thread.
All comments which speculate on the cause of the accident will be removed for legal reasons, and we would ask readers not to leave such comments.
Thank you.
Posted by: steve-o, Swindon on 3:54pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Thank you for replying
Posted by: emmylou83, Stratton on 4:08pm Fri 28 Mar 08
And for proving me right :o)
And for proving me right :o)
Posted by: ferdy, swindon on 4:49pm Fri 28 Mar 08
I have lived in swindon all my life and have been both passenger and driver and some people seem to forget that there is a give way sign on the junction
I have lived in swindon all my life and have been both passenger and driver and some people seem to forget that there is a give way sign on the junction
Posted by: Captain T, Swindon on 5:03pm Fri 28 Mar 08
Residents have been campainging to make Drove Road safer and so far nothing has come to fruition. Yet in this same paper/website, SBC have the nerve to tell us that their
councillors represent good value for money (£770 000 p/a)
Methinks not somehow
Residents have been campainging to make Drove Road safer and so far nothing has come to fruition. Yet in this same paper/website, SBC have the nerve to tell us that their
councillors represent good value for money (£770 000 p/a)
Methinks not somehow
Posted by: swinetown, london on 5:08pm Fri 28 Mar 08
So printing stories on ban the speeders! close this dangerous road! is not specualting? Or stirring up the emotions of the we hate cars pc brigade?
My point stands the adver likes to print one sided stories and stir up emotional adjectives from those who listen to it!
I will say it again, road closures, speed humps and bumps will not stop drivers who choose to drive unlicensed, speed, drive intoxicated or indeed in any other dangerous manor.
Why don't you print an article on that?
So printing stories on ban the speeders! close this dangerous road! is not specualting? Or stirring up the emotions of the we hate cars pc brigade?
My point stands the adver likes to print one sided stories and stir up emotional adjectives from those who listen to it!
I will say it again, road closures, speed humps and bumps will not stop drivers who choose to drive unlicensed, speed, drive intoxicated or indeed in any other dangerous manor.
Why don't you print an article on that?
Posted by: Web Team, Swindon on 5:16pm Fri 28 Mar 08
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Posted by: Libertarian, Swindon on 6:34pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Captain T[/bold] wrote:
Residents have been campainging to make Drove Road safer and so far nothing has come to fruition. Yet in this same paper/website, SBC have the nerve to tell us that their councillors represent good value for money (£770 000 p/a) Methinks not somehow[/quote] The article is talking about senior Council officers not Councillors
Captain T wrote:
Residents have been campainging to make Drove Road safer and so far nothing has come to fruition. Yet in this same paper/website, SBC have the nerve to tell us that their councillors represent good value for money (£770 000 p/a) Methinks not somehow
The article is talking about senior Council officers not Councillors
Posted by: Captain T, Swindon on 6:56pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Libertarian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Captain T[/bold] wrote: Residents have been campainging to make Drove Road safer and so far nothing has come to fruition. Yet in this same paper/website, SBC have the nerve to tell us that their councillors represent good value for money (£770 000 p/a) Methinks not somehow[/quote] The article is talking about senior Council officers not Councillors[/quote] I fail to see why that should matter. Council is council at the end of the day. It doesn't matter where you are in the chain, responsibility for the council's failings ultimately lie with top brass.
When those Child Benefit data discs were lost, it wasn't the direct result of anything the HMRC chairman did, but he as management incumbent, he was responsible for HMRC and so had to carry the can.
Libertarian wrote:
Captain T wrote: Residents have been campainging to make Drove Road safer and so far nothing has come to fruition. Yet in this same paper/website, SBC have the nerve to tell us that their councillors represent good value for money (£770 000 p/a) Methinks not somehow
The article is talking about senior Council officers not Councillors
I fail to see why that should matter. Council is council at the end of the day. It doesn't matter where you are in the chain, responsibility for the council's failings ultimately lie with top brass.
When those Child Benefit data discs were lost, it wasn't the direct result of anything the HMRC chairman did, but he as management incumbent, he was responsible for HMRC and so had to carry the can.
Posted by: Guiville, Old Town on 9:06am Sat 29 Mar 08
The sad fact is that our council will only act on road safety after a death or serious accident occurs. The people of Swindon deserve better.
Last year Swindon Borough Council carried out a traffic consultation for Old Town - NOTHING has happened since.
During the consultation, Old Town Councilors commented that traffic calming measures - such as speed humps, pedestrian crossings, build outs and flashing speed signs - would cost too much to implement. One went further to say they would look 'messy'.
Do we have to wait for another tragic accident for the proper traffic calming measures that we all deserve?
The sad fact is that our council will only act on road safety after a death or serious accident occurs. The people of Swindon deserve better.
Last year Swindon Borough Council carried out a traffic consultation for Old Town - NOTHING has happened since.
During the consultation, Old Town Councilors commented that traffic calming measures - such as speed humps, pedestrian crossings, build outs and flashing speed signs - would cost too much to implement. One went further to say they would look 'messy'.
Do we have to wait for another tragic accident for the proper traffic calming measures that we all deserve?
Posted by: the truth, Swindon on 10:51am Sat 29 Mar 08
my heart goes out to Tyresse's mum it is an absolute tragedy and a compltely avoidable accident. It seems to be the norm that the authorities will not prevent accidents instead they wait for them to happen and act afterwards. it is the same at oliver tomkins infants and junior school the sheer volume of traffic going past the school and those parents and the Big A that come on to school site with their vehicles are going to get a child injured or worse killed. at least swindon as a whole can learn from what happened to tyresse. Prevention is better than cure
my heart goes out to Tyresse's mum it is an absolute tragedy and a compltely avoidable accident. It seems to be the norm that the authorities will not prevent accidents instead they wait for them to happen and act afterwards. it is the same at oliver tomkins infants and junior school the sheer volume of traffic going past the school and those parents and the Big A that come on to school site with their vehicles are going to get a child injured or worse killed. at least swindon as a whole can learn from what happened to tyresse. Prevention is better than cure
Posted by: steve-o, Swindon on 1:02pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Well you are in the know Emz a
Well you are in the know Emz a
Posted by: The builder, Old Town on 9:11am Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote]Prevention is better than cure[/quote]
maybe if people drove sensibly we wouldn't need preventative measures. I use this road daily and have never ever had a problem with it. Why should the road be changed just because of a few idiots ? Total waste of money.
Prevention is better than cure
maybe if people drove sensibly we wouldn't need preventative measures. I use this road daily and have never ever had a problem with it. Why should the road be changed just because of a few idiots ? Total waste of money.
Posted by: Paskie, Swindon on 7:47pm Tue 1 Apr 08
My previous post went something along the lines of 'whatever prevention is put along Drove Road (or any other road) there will always be an imbecile that takes that chance that could prove fatal'. Tonight I met that imbecile who had the cheek to overtake me in his boy racer blue lancer at the give way point at the top of the hill, flooring it right past the point where the flowers lie on the road narrowly missing a car he should have given way to, let alone the fact i was in front of him at the give way line. I hope you're reading this because you're a joke!!!! and if God was smiling on me, your car would have broken down just by the Beefeater and i would have explained to you, forcefully, what impact tw*ts like you have on the road!
My previous post went something along the lines of 'whatever prevention is put along Drove Road (or any other road) there will always be an imbecile that takes that chance that could prove fatal'. Tonight I met that imbecile who had the cheek to overtake me in his boy racer blue lancer at the give way point at the top of the hill, flooring it right past the point where the flowers lie on the road narrowly missing a car he should have given way to, let alone the fact i was in front of him at the give way line. I hope you're reading this because you're a joke!!!! and if God was smiling on me, your car would have broken down just by the Beefeater and i would have explained to you, forcefully, what impact tw*ts like you have on the road!
Posted by: antznest1, Swindon on 8:57am Thu 3 Apr 08
Today 3/4/08 Tyrese Hannah will be laid to rest. Let us remember him always. Lets all do our part and make a conscious effort to drive a little slower and a whole lot better!
Today 3/4/08 Tyrese Hannah will be laid to rest. Let us remember him always. Lets all do our part and make a conscious effort to drive a little slower and a whole lot better!
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